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Apr 26, 2007

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arkieology

Perhaps P.J. O'Rourke and Emma Goldman both believed in freedom, but the similarity ends abruptly after that. Guilt and obligations are destructive to the human spirit and creativity and imagination, but being part of the human race requires some recognition that our actions have repurcusions on others, whether one is a trust fund kid or not. If the world were open and free for all to behave as lilies of the field P.J. and Emma would have little conflict, but as it is and was, if they were in a room together Mr. O'Rourke had better be armed, because I believe Ms. Goldman would at least give him a good thumping. I get the artist must be free to create idea, but we enter this world helpless and leave it the same way. Some are helpless in between, some intentionally kept that way by people exercising the kind of self interest O'Rourke applaude and Goldman worked her whole life against.

Your weblog gives me some indication that you were not raised by wolves. O'Rourke recognizes nothing but blind self interest. Is that enough, and is that really what an artist requires? Or does it also mean that we are also part of something greater than ourselves that includes occaisional altruism.

I spoke in a previous post about Frederick Soddy who replaced Adam Smith's land, labor, and capital, with a new triumverate. Human diligence, natural energy, and discovery (I put creativity before, oops) and I truly believe that they are held together by more than unfettered selfishness. Soddy called the monetary world virtual, and I believe it is held together by virtue, that is the path of the grail and true inspiration.

Stephen Suggs

Why do we do what we do? Amazing-- I used to ask the same question when I was a corporate employee. The best answer the smartest co worker could come up with was "To pay the rent". I realize now the question was really an exclamation like "Look what we're doing"!!

Idle imagination? very productive.

Yes, Practicle imagination may be more in line with having beautiful radiant things, but idle imagination is more in line with being beautiful radiant things. But Being, idleness,and productivity coming together these days.

And this What do you do stuff? Isn't that such a loaded question between the sexes? I'd love your take on that one and how it fits into this discussion.

Evelyn Rodriguez

Arkielogy, I think you caught on that I was totally at odds with P.J. O'Rourke's statement too. Although the article in general was thought-provoking, that particular paragraph was like an affront to both our humanness and our divine spark.

Hmmm, "..we enter this world helpless and leave it the same way." This is not been my experience, that there is learned helplessness, yes.

At some point, maybe we all need to do what Buckminster Fuller did in our own ways, and purge all second-hand beliefs, and get to a blank slate and really ask what do we know for sure ourselves? Why do you believe we are helpless? Because we cannot ever possess, own or hold onto what we already are, that wholeness that Wilber referred to?

Read a little Don Juan/Carlos Castaneda for first time lately. There is a part in "The Second Ring of Power" about impeccable warriors assume that others are as well.
This came up because main character tried to "help" his friend Pedro when they jumped off the cliff, which was actually a disservice to him, as we shall learn. Our good intentions are often layered with our own projected fears. I witness this on both sides. Myself, a book worth of times others' "help" (arising out of worry, rather than confidence in me) has actually hindered me. When I first met W. (should be obvious reference for longer time readers), I truly thought I was the helper because he was homeless. Thank god, I came to my senses quick enough and saw him for the equal, the friend, that he is.

Don Juan taught only one whom is 'formless' (i.e. awake, there is no seam between 'me' & 'universe') and 'sees' (can hold images in the inner planes, & unseen formless) can truly help a warrior, mostly because they are not carried away by their own psychological projections. This is quite similar to what Tibetan Buddhist Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche taught about the three levels of generosity.

These words carry a lot, in all "relations":
"If you have come here to help me, you are wasting your time. But if you have come because your liberation is bound up with mine, then let us work together." - Lilla Watson, a Brisbane-based Aboriginal activist and organizer

So, no I do not do anything out of charity, altruism, benevolence. It is simply an overflowing, an outpouring, of the wholeness that I witness over & over when I meet my Self in you, & you & you...

Evelyn Rodriguez

Steve, Beautiful! "But Being, idleness,and productivity coming together these days." Yes!

I do note that coming from an intention to be dutiful, helpful, productive, save the world, something grand like that actually ends up near-paralyzing and squashing the fun simple play spirit ...and so ends up being COUNTER-productive.

I sense that imagination needs FREE rein to be as goofy, outrageously unproductive, uncontrived, boundless as it wants to be. And miracles are actually as efficient, and natural, as it gets.

"What do you do?" I'm not sure if it's just a matter of sexes anymore, but between those that see the value of the unseen, and those that think that only what meets THEIR eye exists and is worthwhile. Amma, the hugging saint from India, said the wars these days are being fought in the subtler realms.

Anyhow, even if and when I evade the question typically someone will ask straight up, "How do you pay the bills?"

I suppose sometimes I answer by telling the story of Jesus' forty days in the desert and the tempter comes to him, If you are the son of God, turn these stones to bread. And Jesus replied, Man shall not eat by bread alone, but by every word that proceedth from the mouth of God.

arkieology

Evelyn,

Actually I didn't quite get your point on Mr. O'Rourke. Emma Goldman and the Anarchist movement are very important to me and I just wanted to make a clear distinction between these types of freedom. I do now.

The helplessness I speak of is infancy and old age, both of which may leave us dependent upon the actions of others. I agree that "charity" is often more about the problems of the giver than the receiver.

I think your quote "If you have come here to help me, you are wasting your time. But if you have come because your liberation is bound up with mine, then let us work together." is a good statement of what the anarchists were all about, and myself as well in my better moments.

Hasta luego.

Evelyn Rodriguez

Ark, Ah, yeah, I could see that. Just to reiterate for all...that particular paragraph bashing the open-source programmers, and lauding pop-up ads.

Yech! It's hard to get me riled up, but that did it.

Old and age (related to time) and helplessness, hmmm, more belief systems to wonder about. Take a good look at kids under 2 years of age right now, "talk" with them telepathetically, they will tell you about needlessness, and much more.


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